Im 63kg and ride 20/24, If i really give it some i can get them to flex easily.
Id go 28/32 if you want a good all rounder.
Like the guys have said the rim is a big part of the spoke count as is flange spacing,
That's why i like the Alchemy elf hubs
Have a read through this
2012 Hub Review: Information overload? - Fair Wheel Bikes
and this
2013 Rim Roundup - Fair Wheel Bikes
FWIW i was 84kg, i have 32h record to ambrosio chrono f20s, 32h dura ace to nemesis and 32h record to open pros and i've not a had a problem (despite hitting stuff intentionally).
i'm now 74kg, so i've got lots of spokes. muahahahaha
Originally Posted by shortsie
The op weighs 85kgs, definately go the 28/32h route with a box section rim. With light spokes you can still create a sub 1500g set pretty easy. What about ck hubs or dt swiss?
Beardos...!
Any thing over 28 is total fucking overkill!
I have a 990 gram wheelset that I can't flex in a sprint!, thanks to wide spacing, good tension stiff rims...
Building 32h plus road wheels is basically ignoring the advances in hub geo, spokes and rim design..
In my experience with a 24/28 wheelset if you blow a spoke its an easy ride home as the wheels won't go outa true that much..
20/24.. No more riding.. 32 plus.. You won't even notice..
Do your self a favour and ask the fairwheel guys what they think about spoke count once you've desided one the hub/rim combo.
They know a lot more about building awesome wheels than a bunch of beardos and hipsters ( sorry guys )
If your gona drop $1000 on a nice road wheelset then why not build one your gona love not an over built monster that you'll end up regretting cause you wasted $1000 on a 'bullet proof' wheel set..
If your thinking about riding the forest of Arden and competing in the hell of the north then yea.. 32h rim might be a good idea..
But your not
how much was your 990g wheelset?
A bit more than the present budget.
But if he wanted to spend $400. Then sure ask the Beardos..
$1000 budget then please ask the guys that build those kinda wheels every day.
I'm also not advocating at 20/24 build at his weight for the record..
Having built the above wheels for you I can vouch the Enve rims give quite a bit more lateral stiffness than an Archetype (even though the Archetype is heavier and wider). For radial stiffness Enve's are a class above anything. The Sapim CX Ray's also add a lot of strength to your wheels. Heck, even at my 100+ kg's I'd be confident ebough to ride them. No probs.
I responded to the word "bomb proof". Having seen and assessed a fair share of damaged wheels I can vouch that the higher spoke wheels are ones that both absorb greater impacts and can also be trued (coaxed/forced?) back without resorting to big differences in spoke tension (thus shortening the life span of the wheel). There's no problem with lower spoke wheel counts if you understand it will probably be new rim/rebuild time if you crash.
I'm also assuming that standard DB spokes will be used (he's building to a price). As I suggested for regular riding wheels, not needing any adjustment, no issue of breaking spokes, and running them for 20,000km's+ thus wearing out the rim sidewalls from braking before replacing the rims I think 28/32 is a good bet.
The same combo with CX Ray spokes = 24/28 for the same 85kg rider. They are that good.
Use Velocity A23 with the offset rear rim and I'd even build a 24h rear for the same rider. Yes I rate them even higher than the symmetrical Archetype as a rear. Front ... I'd choose an A23 anyway because they're cheaper and easy to source.
In truth, I think many people undervalue Velocity's A23 prebuilt wheelsets .. especially as some of them come standard with CX Ray spokes. Any LBS can order them and that means warranty (no drama's for replacements). They really are a good prudect and very well priced ... there were a few kinks in early production but they've all been sorted out long ago. The only problem is they're not fashionable/without hipster cred ... especially here in Oz where everybody is desperately vain to have something new/exotic.
Stop making sense spirito.
Hehe I wouldnt think if build a wheel set without cxrays! By my calculations CKs x rays and archetypes at 24/28 and a few spare spokes... Hmm $900
And that doesn't include the kanye discount
$1000 is a good budget. I reckon C X-rays Are totally in the budget.
Last edited by sugarkane; 02-02-2013 at 11:28 PM.
More on CX Ray's spokes:
The standard doubled butted Sapim Spoke (called Race) is rated at 1350 N/mm2 for strength in the middle section. The CX Ray is rated at 1600 N/mm2 even though they are lighter - 272g vs. 358g (based on 64 pieces x 260 mm length). Aero advantage is sweet but little is quoted about the fatigue life of CX Ray spokes which is more than 3 1/2 times that of the standard double butted (Race) spoke (3.5million revolutions vs. 980,000).
DCR Wheels - hand built bicycle wheel specialist Choosing spokes »
Stronger, aero and last almost forever (in wheels longevity terms). Well worth the price imo.
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